Twickenham Riverside Terrace Group (TRTG)

Home page

Contact us

Twickenham online - Latest news

Twickenham River Centre

Newsletter

Our mission

ARCHIVE:
2004 Archive
2002 Archive

Meeting 15 Oct 2001

DESIGNS:
Nov 2003
Oct 2003
Dec 2002
Apr 2002
Mar 2002


Letters

Ken Hathaway

Other sites:

Twickenham online

Twickenham River Centre

Multimap site photo

Thames online

2003 ARCHIVE

1 December 2003

TRTG December Newsletter - The primary concern of the Terrace Group is the retention of public open space on the Riverside. Click here to read the newsletter



21 November 2003

DATE FOR PLANNING INQUIRY ANNOUNCED

The Inquiry into the Council's Short-term Scheme will commence on 11 February 2004. It's anticipated to last for 3 days and it will probably be held at York House. Details will follow.



Update to Planning Application 01/0540/FUL:
An alternative location for the new pontoon

Proposed alternative pontoon location - click here to enlarge
Click here to enlarge
Click here for the explanatory letter to the Council's Development Control Manager, with details of the pontoon. The Terrace Group's scheme has already received planning permission; this is an update.

Click here to see the drawing.

16 November 2003

NEW DRAWINGS FOR THE TERRACE SCHEME

Possible development for the corner of Water Lane. Click to see all illustrations
Click here to enlarge
Architect Martin Stearman has produced new drawings to indicate what can be done with the pool site, and an imaginative redevelopment of the back of the south side of King Street.

Click here to see the drawings, with notes.

Letters relating to the Riverside and the Terrace scheme

Jack Betteridge (Twickenham Society Group) on Twickenham Online: the Council's proposed changes to the UDP could lay it open to large-scale commercial exploitation by developers.

Martin Stearman, 10 November

Sam Jones, 27 October

Peter Francis, 26 October


8 November 2003

The Council Leader's report to Cabinet, 11 November
This sets out the new timetable for the Council's proposed short-term scheme, plus the anticipated additional costs resulting from the planning inquiry.


3 October 2003

PLANNING INQUIRY FOR THE COUNCIL'S SHORT TERM SCHEME

Letter from the Government Office for London:
After very careful consideration of all the information before him, the First Secretary of State considers that the development proposals may raise issues which conflict with government guidance for Conservation Areas (PPG15 - Planning and the Historic Environment). He has therefore decided to call in the application for public inquiry and his own decision.

Full text here.

See also Ron Chappell's letter, "No Vision on the Riverside"


3 October 2003

PLANNING INQUIRY FOR THE COUNCIL'S SHORT TERM SCHEME

Letter from the Government Office for London:
After very careful consideration of all the information before him, the First Secretary of State considers that the development proposals may raise issues which conflict with government guidance for Conservation Areas (PPG15 - Planning and the Historic Environment). He has therefore decided to call in the application for public inquiry and his own decision.

Full text here.

See also Ron Chappell's letter, "No Vision on the Riverside"


1 October 2003

New illustrations showing how the poolsite could look

There is still time to save the Riverside from the Council's plan for total redevelopment. The attached sketches draw on ideas put forward by the TRTGG and others.
Detail of the site layout. Click to enlarge.
Click here to enlarge

Annotated proposed design features
Annotated features.
Click here
to enlarge



15 August 2003 - UPDATE

Letter to all our supporters 12/8/03

The Council is pursuing its own piecemeal and short term plans for the Riverside, and is now applying for permission to demolish the main changing room building fronting the River.

The Council has to obtain permission for demolition from the Secretary of State Government Office for London because the site is in a Conservation Area, For the Councils 5 year plan this building will be replaced by landscaping a walkway and providing two benches for the use of the public.

At least the Councils planning committee has expressed concerns that there are no toilets and that the remainder of the scheme is surrounded by a 2.4 m high security fence.

But the building being taken down has its own toilets, could be used by the community and could form the Terrace Garden that has widespread local support.

The Council propose to build a children's playground. on a strip of land adjoining Wharf Lane Unlike all other local children's playgrounds this will be surrounded by a new 1.8 m high security fence.

Project costs to date are £720,000. Plus maintenance costs at present £50,000 per year.

Long term plans for the site are not known but the whole site is likely to be redeveloped for housing shops and cafes. The existing, now closed public toilets in Water Lane are planned to be sold.

THE PUBLIC ARE NOT BEING TOLD WHAT THE COUNCIL REALLY INTEND.
This information is required by the GOL in a Conservation Area. The current proposals have a 5-year duration only and will then be destroyed. Important Facts
  • The site was, until closed by the previous Tory Council in public use. It should be returned to public use and should not be redeveloped for housing with only limited public benefit.
  • Full information is not available for what it is proposed to build on this site after demolition.
  • The existing buildings could be retained at lower level and used by the Community Organisations who have been identified and wish to use them. At present one building is used by a Community Welfare Organisation.
  • Renovation of an existing building is more cost effective than rebuilding. A community based proposal to landscape the site and retain some of the buildings for river related and community uses already has Planning Approval.
  • With imagination this site could vie with Richmond's popular terrace garden overlooking the River.
  • The present Council scheme is short term, resulting in uncertainty and repeated disturbance at some point in the future.
  • The Council's proposals relate to only 1/4 of the site. 3/4 of the site will be fenced of and a repository for fly tipping as at present and is planned to remain like this until redevelopment is achieved at some point in the future.
  • This scheme is costly for the limited facilities proposed.
  • There are no details of the precise protection for existing mature trees.
  • There are no river related activities as required by the UDP planning brief for this site.
  • The Pontoon requirement of the area Planning Brief T1 has been ignored.
  • The surrounding sites are owned by developers keen to rebuild and improve the area. Why are the Council not urgently in discussion with them to redevelop these vacant and run-down sites in order that the pool site returns to public use?
If you have any comments, concerns and objections to what is proposed please let The Government Office for London GOL knows. ASAP

Please refer to applications numbers 03/1142/CAC and 03/1141/FUL.

Secretary of State
Government Office of London
Planning Casework North, South & West
9th Floor, Riverwalk House
157-161 Millbank
London SW1 P 4RR

Email: jpierce.gol@go-regions.gsi.gov.uk


1 August 2003 - UPDATE

On 31 July the Council Planning Committee has voted to grant planning permission for the short term scheme for the poolsite, despite opposition from the Terrace Group, and local residents concerned about the nature of the scheme and its potential permanence.

See Twickenham Online for a full report.

More details and the Terrace Group's response will follow.

See the Council's Planning Committee page for basic information.

Note from Ron Chappell:

No Vision on the Riverside
Richmond Councils latest proposals for their 5 year short term scheme are due to come before the planning committee on the 31 July.

There is still no information available as to what they propose to provide on the site under their long term redevelopment proposals, except that the cost of consultants fees for all schemes are growing.

These short term proposals reveal a further tentative step towards site use by the public in line with the proposals most of which which already have planning permission put forward by the Twickenham Terrace Garden Group.

There is a planted area, children's playground, seats, and the possibility of a cabin providing a combined café and public toilets.

Unfortunately the scheme only provides:
  • Public access to one quarter of the site.
  • Views of the River are through a 1.8 am high security mesh screen.
  • Does not achieve the election pledge of public access to the whole site described as a Thames side jewel!
  • It demolishes the building that could provide the planning requirement of River related uses.
  • It also demolishes the building that could provide the café,toilets and an unobstructed view of the River from the Terrace that the TRTG would provide.
We recognise that this application is the first stage of the Conservative election pledge to provide public access to the whole site, but we are concerned that their intention to redevelop the whole site will leave the public with little open space.

We await with interest the Council's long term proposals for meeting their election pledge to "CREATE A LANDSCAPED PUBLIC RIVERSIDE OPEN SPACE...FOR THIS THAMES SIDE JEWEL".


To record an interest to speak at the Planning Meeting on 31st July, please contact:
Sarah Albert
Committee Manager
020 8891 7275
s.albert@richmond.gov.uk


23 June 2003

Letter from Ron Chappell to Government Office for London


10 June 2003

Press Release

The Twickenham Riverside Terrace Group notes with concern that Richmond Council has authorised expenditure of over £200,000 for advisors, officers and public relations costs for the next 9 months work on the long-term proposals including the Twickenham Challenge.

This is understood to be the in house costs for the project to the market testing stage. In order to appoint a developer for the long term development of the site it appears that further expenditure of the order of £280,000 per year is likely to be incurred for the next five years.

No details are available for these long-term proposals, and they are likely to be dependant on future negotiation with the developer. Add to this the Council's £1/2 million short term scheme for 5 years which will provide, a few seats, plants, security screen, and a children's playground giving access to only 1/4 of the site. Resulting in a probable total expenditure of the order of £2 million.

This extravagant expenditure follows the pattern of history for this site where a lot of money is spent with no perceived result. This contrasts with the TRTG own viable illustrated proposals for a cost of £650,000 for the whole site which could be implemented immediately.

The question must be answered by this Council, why is this costly time consuming procedure continuing which is so wasteful of the Council tax payers money. with no tangible public benefit.


27 May 2003 - Update

Letter from John Reekie 21 May opposing temporary scheme

Proposed revisions to the UDP
Proposed revisions to the UDP for the poolsite are online.
Click here
to see them and to find out how to comment. Comments must be submitted to the Council by 5pm on 3 June.

The Riverside area has been increased to include the Service Road, the car park behind the Abbey National Building Society, and the Embankment from the upstream (Teddington) end to the draw dock at the foot of Water Lane.


25 May 2003

LISTING OF TWICKENHAM RIVERSIDE SWIMMING POOL

Readers will be aware that there is a national campaign to save open air Lidos. The majority of this countries Lidos were built in the 1930's at the time of a newly awakened interest in health and sport. They were often built by civic minded Councils and were a great success.

Twickenham open air riverside swimming pool is a local example. Built in 1934 by the then Twickenham Urban District Council. The architecture of the Lidos built in this period were often in the Art Deco style and Twickenham is no exception. The Art Deco movement is the subject of a hugely successful current exhibition at the V&A Museum.

Richmond Council who own the site in Twickenham should be concerned to conserve and investigate its potential. The Council has policies which could ensure this investigation and consideration of renovation, but has consistently chosen to ignore these.

Because of this failure to consider the potential use by the community of such a facility The Twickenham Riverside Terrace group has decided to apply for Listed Building status for the pool site buildings.

This is currently being considered by the Government Department responsible for such matters, the Department of Culture Media And Sports (DCMS).

The TRT group has particular concerns that the renovation and use of the existing buildings has not been considered in any report over the last two decades despite evident planning policies to encourage this.

As a piece of supreme irony the very organisations who could make use of the buildings are being invited to compete amongst themselves through the Twickenham Challenge, in order to raise funds for a new building on site.

Conservation, renovation, sustainability, ethical policies, environmentally friendly are all phrases in the vocabulary of the Council which are ignored when it's expedient. No consideration has been taken of the huge cost of new building on this site relative to the refurbishment cost of the existing buildings.

This Council informed us that it has no money for a development for the community on this site. However it has managed from a seemingly bottomless purse to find £800,000 to commission further reports, security fence the site, build a children's playground, provide 6 benches and remove a building. Duration of proposals 5 years, then destruction, as a whole new development appears to threaten the long term future of the site with only limited public space or benefit.

The future development of this site is unknown, but we should all remember that in the Richmond & Twickenham Times before the last elections the Conservatives said their vision was " ....the River should be open to the town...leading to a landscaped public open space."

This is why we consider it necessary to List the existing Buildings so that the community gets a proper deal and a secure future stake on the Riverside. Remember what this Council wishes to forget: that the site was purchased in 1924 for public walks and pleasure purposes.

Some of the reasons for listing:
  1. A good example of a 1930's public lido, retaining a large proportion of original features;
  2. A significant local public building, designed by the Borough Architect and built by public demand with public money;
  3. Remembered with affection by many local people and their families, who enjoyed using it for many years;
  4. Capable of economic refurbishment and adaptation;
  5. Capable of making a major positive contribution to the townscape and riverside setting.
If you support us please write to ......

Mr Anthony Nonyelu
The Department of Culture Media and Sport
Architecture and Historic Environment Division
2-4 Cockspur Street
London SW1Y 5DH.


9 May 2003 - Update

Letter from Ron Chappell May 9 opposing demolition
Letter from Ken Elmes 26 April opposing demolition

Letter to all our supporters May 1

As you are aware The Council is pursuing its own plans for the Riverside.

Despite your letters of support for the Terrace Garden Scheme your Council is determined to scupper it.

The Council through its advisors is applying for permission to demolish the main changing room building fronting the River and in its place landscaping a walkway and providing two benches for the use of the public.

On a strip of land adjoining Wharf Lane a children's playground will be constructed. There will be a new security fence to the whole site in order to keep out the public.

Duration of this 5 years. Cost £480,000. plus maintenance costs at present £50,000 per year.

We have been told that we do not qualify for the Twickenham Challenge.

So if you have any concerns and objections to what is proposed please let the Council and The Government Office for London GOL know.

The Council can only carry out demolition in a Conservation area if they have the permission of the GOL. This site is in a Conservation area.

Public consultation on the proposals are limited to that applicable under planning law. There will be no other public consultation!

Good reasons for objecting

  1. The site was until closed by the previous Tory Council in public use. It should be returned to public use and should not be redeveloped for housing with only limited public benefit.
  2. Full information is not available for what is proposed to build on this site after demolition. (This level of information is required in a Conservation Area) THE PUBLIC ARE NOT BEING TOLD WHAT THE COUNCIL REALLY INTEND. The current proposals have a 5 year duration only and will then be destroyed.
  3. The existing buildings could be retained at lower level and used by the Community Organisations have been identified who wish to use them. At present one building is used by a Community Welfare Organisation.
  4. Renovation of an existing building is more cost effective than rebuilding. A community based proposal to landscape the site and retain some of the buildings for river related and community uses already has approval.
  5. This scheme is expensive for what is proposed and is said to be short term, resulting in uncertainty and repeated disturbance at some point in the future.
  6. The Council's proposals relate to only 1/4 of the site. 3/4 of the site will be fenced of and a repository for fly tipping as at present and is planned to remain like this until redevelopment is achieved at some point in the future.
  7. There are no details of the precise protection for existing mature trees.
  8. There has been no official ecological survey to establish the known presence of protected species plants and wildlife. The community undertook such a survey which the Council has ignored.
  9. There are no river related activities as required by the UDP planning brief for this site.
  10. The Public Toilets will be removed.
  11. The surrounding sites are owned by developers keen to rebuild and improve the area. Why are the Council not urgently in discussion with them to redevelop these vacant and run-down sites in order that the pool site returns to public use?
For your objections to the Council (and copy to the GOL) please refer to applications numbers 03/1142/CAC and 03/1141/FUL.

Objections must be with the Council by the 9 May!
Objections must be with the GOL by the 16 May!


The addresses are: LBRuT Planning Department
Civic Centre
York Street
Twickenham TW13BZ
email r.summers@richmond.gov.uk

Secretary of State
Government Office of London
Planning Casework North, South &West
9th Floor Riverwalk House
157-161 Millbank
London SW1 P 4RR.
email jpierce.gol@go-regions.gsi.gov.uk


26 April 2003

COUNCIL CABINET MEETING TO DISCUSS COSTS OF RIVERSIDE SCHEMES

The Cabinet will meet at 7.30 pm on Tuesday, 29 April at York House. They will receive a report on the internal and external costs for the long-term scheme to redevelop the Riverside, plus an overview of the latest responses to the Twickenham Challenge.

Click here for the Agenda and go to Item 14 for the Riverside.

Click here to read Ron Chappell's letter: "The Real Twickenham Challenge: Accommodation Already Available".


21 April 2003

1. COUNCIL APPLIES TO DEMOLISH PART OF POOL BUILDING

On 14 April, in two planning applications 03/1141/FUL & 03/1142/CAC the Council applied for planning permission to demolish part of the existing pool buildings that are integral to the Terrace development. Text of the notice of application:

  03/1141/FUL
Location: POOL SITE, THE EMBANKMENT, TWICKENHAM
Agent: DEARLE AND HENDERSON, COIN HOUSE, 2 GEES COURT, ST CHRISTOPHERS PLACE, W1U 1JA
Proposal: Demolition of pool building (plant/changing rooms and entrance space) hard and soft landscaping of resultant footprint. Partial clearance of poolside lido to form park and children's play area secured by fencing. Steps from lower to upper area. Short term scheme pending future development envisaged 5 year duration
Library: Twickenham

03/1142 /CAC
Location: POOL SITE, THE EMBANKMENT, TWICKENHAM
Agent: DEALE AND HENDERSON, COIN HOUSE, 2 GEE COURT, ST CHRISTOPHERS PLACE, LONDON W1u 1JA
Proposal: Total demolition of pool changing and plant rooms with exception of retaining wall at rear ground floor
Library: Twickenham
 

Letters opposing demolition must be submitted to the Council's planning department, quoting number 03/1141/FUL, and 03/1142/CAC within 21 days of 14 April.

Copies of letters should also be sent to the Government Office for London (GOL):
Mr J Pierce
Government Office for London
9th floor
Riverwalk House
157-161 Millbank
London SW1P 4RR
Email JPIERCE.GOL@go-regions.gsi.gov.uk

The GOL's rules for demolition in a conservation area are set out on Twickenham Online. Click here to see them.

2. The Revised UDP for the poolsite area
Proposed revisions to the UDP for the poolsite are now online. The Riverside area has been increased to include the Service Road, the car park behind the Abbey National Building Society (currently owned by Dawnay Day, the property company who own the properties on the south (river) side of King St), and the Embankment from the upstream (Teddington) end to the draw dock at the foot of Water Lane.

Click here to see and comment on the revisions. Comments must be registered by 5 June.


Public Meeting on the Riverside, 27th March 2003

The meeting was well attended, and the issues of the Council's preference for their Plan B over the Terrace Group's scheme, an the relative costs, were raised several times. For a report of the meeting, see the Twickenham River Centre website.

New material: Tom McKevitt's presentation, with illustrations of the Council's projected short term scheme for the riverside, is on the River Centre site. Click here to view it.


26 March 2003: News release

TWICKENHAM RIVERSIDE TERRACE GROUP

are pleased to announce that LBRuT Council have now given a further APPROVED PLANNING PERMISSION for more detailed TRTG proposals for the landscaping, a biodiversity study garden, a public square and performance area, a children's play area, together with an ramp for the disabled access on the Swimming Pool site.

These updated proposal were submitted last year by the TRTG so that many of the ideas that came out of the consultation work undertaken by the Twickenham Society, the TRTG and other groups could be incorporated into the regeneration of the site.

The Councils Option B plan however ignores all these proposals except the children's play area.

If you agree that Option B is not even a good short-term scheme, then please let the Council know your views when they advertise the Planning and Conservation Area Applications to demolish the existing buildings.

From Twickenham Riverside Terrace Garden Group Committee

(The full letter from the Council confirming the notice of planning permission can be seen by application to the Twickenham Riverside Terrace Group: tel 020 8255 1270, or see the Contact Us page on this website.)


25 March 2003: Press Release

Today, Twickenham Riverside Terrace Group today submitted by letter suggestions to meet the Borough Councils "Challenge" on the redevelopment of The Baths site and Twickenham Riverside.

Although still committed to maximum use of the site for public use the Group at their weekly meeting considered the apparent attitude of the Council Cabinet to press on with some form of commercial development of the site.

The Groups new plans would provide for minimum housing development to meet the council's insistence on the development while opening up the site for greater public use with terracing and public walks.

"We will discuss these new suggestions with our supporters at the first opportunity" said Mr Reekie group chairman; he went on to say "The Council's new timetable does not give time for further Public Consultation of any design before today's closing date for the challenge".

Further confusion over the riversides 20-year history of Council mismanagement of the site was caused by the publication of the Conservative newsletter "In Touch" where they clearly state, the New Council will "Give the Twickenham Riverside Terrace Group a full year in which to raise the money to implement their proposed scheme". They go on to say "Under a Conservative Council Twickenham riverside will be for local people".

See our letter to Council Officer Tom McKevitt, attached.


27 February 2003 - PRESS RELEASE

At their weekly committee meeting on Wednesday the Twickenham Riverside Terrace Group took note of Tuesdays Council Cabinet decision and proposes to pursue alternatives to secure long term public benefit on this site.

Our supporters will be consulted on these alternatives and their views will be taken into account in any decisions arrived at by the committee.

A response will be made to the Twickenham Challenge and co-operation will continue with the Twickenham Society Co-ordinating Group to secure the long term improvement of this important riverside site.


26 February 2003

Last night, the Council Cabinet voted to proceed with the planning application for their short-term scheme, as they agreed on 10 December 2002.

Ron Chappell for the Terrace Group reminded Councillors that the Terrace scheme has wide public support. He warned of the danger of losing a valuable opportunity on the Riverside.

Architect Clive Wren also spoke, about the shortcomings of the Council's planned scheme and the respective costs and benefits of it compared to the Terrace Group's plans.

After a very brief discussion, the Cabinet voted to proceed with their scheme. A draft development programme has been issued.

Twickenham Online Report
Twickenham Online Riverside Letters
Twickenham River Centre update



Open Letter from Twickenham Riverside Terrace Garden Group Committee re the Report to Cabinet, 25 Feb. (24 Feb)


24 Feb 03: Letter to Gillian Norton, Chief Executive, LBRuT

Click here for the full text of our letter


Open letter to the Public and the Council _ Twickenham Riverside: a Lost Opportunity and 12 reasons for adopting the Twickenham Riverside Terrace Group's scheme (21 Feb)


Council Cabinet Meeting 7.30pm, Tuesday 25th February 2003, York House

Twickenham Riverside is Item 19 on the agenda
Material available online includes the Chief Executive's 25-page report and drawings of a projected scheme.

Please note the second and third items in Appendix A below: the Terrace Group's letters to the Council regarding the Council's Option B, as poor value for money, and our response to the Council's report of 10 December 2002.

Click on the documents to download them from the Council:
 1. The Chief Executive's 25-page report (.pdf, slow to open)
 2. Appendix A: Twickenham Riverside Terrace Group, 1 (.pdf)
 3. Appendix A: Twickenham Riverside Terrace Group, 2 (.pdf)
 4. Appendix A: Strawberry Hill Residents' Association (.pdf)
 5. Appendix A: Clive Wren (.pdf)
 6. Appendix A: M Landolt (.pdf)
 7. Appendix A: Dawnay Day (.pdf)
 8. Appendix A: Environment Trust (.pdf)
 9. Appendix A: York House Society (.pdf)
10. Appendix A: Twickenham Society Group 1 (slow .pdf)
11. Appendix A: Twickenham Society Group, 2 (.pdf)
12. Appendix A:JH Vie (.pdf)
13. Appendix A: Andreas Sarhage (.pdf)
14. Appendix A: Izabela Descours (.pdf)
15. Drawings: Elevations
16. Drawings: Plan
17. Drawings: Sections

Council Press release, 31 January (see the last paragraph)


Please see the News Archive for newsletters, updates and statements for 2001 and 2002.


^top